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		<title>By: Jennefier</title>
		<link>http://nomblog.com/156/comment-page-1/#comment-6064</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennefier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The legal issues of SSM will soon be put to rest on a Federal level, striking down the recent rulings in Ohio and other states.  The Federal jude in Northern California refused to invalidate Prop H8 and moved for a speedy trial that will set a precedent upholding OSM throughout the nation.  Victory for the nations children will soon come to pass.   All is well.</description>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://nomblog.com/156/comment-page-1/#comment-6063</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to the drivel one comes across regarding the behavior of other animals, I would offer that members of other species may occasionally engage in homosexual behavior, though it is fairly rare, and is virtually always explained by mistake or substitution.  

There is no basis for a conclusion that there is any yearning or preference for members of the same sex for sexual activities.  In humans there is only such a yearning or preference because of the mental constructs that are formed as a result of the activity to categorize it and justify it, and the social networks that form that reinforce it.  The more homosexuality is accepted, the more social networks will form to reinforce it, and the more common it will be.  

This is problematic not only because it lessens the potential for developing harmonious sexual relationships between members of the two sexes, but also because it has become part of a general pattern and contributes to a movement to spread misandry throughout the society, which involves the intentional increase of misunderstanding, mistrust, and hostility between the sexes.  Virtually no other movement could be as destructive towards the end of developing a harmonious society or of improving general human welfare and ensuring the survival of the species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to the drivel one comes across regarding the behavior of other animals, I would offer that members of other species may occasionally engage in homosexual behavior, though it is fairly rare, and is virtually always explained by mistake or substitution.  </p>
<p>There is no basis for a conclusion that there is any yearning or preference for members of the same sex for sexual activities.  In humans there is only such a yearning or preference because of the mental constructs that are formed as a result of the activity to categorize it and justify it, and the social networks that form that reinforce it.  The more homosexuality is accepted, the more social networks will form to reinforce it, and the more common it will be.  </p>
<p>This is problematic not only because it lessens the potential for developing harmonious sexual relationships between members of the two sexes, but also because it has become part of a general pattern and contributes to a movement to spread misandry throughout the society, which involves the intentional increase of misunderstanding, mistrust, and hostility between the sexes.  Virtually no other movement could be as destructive towards the end of developing a harmonious society or of improving general human welfare and ensuring the survival of the species.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennefier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennefier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We won!   Prop 8 victory for children in California, Federal Judge agrees to hear our case showing why SSM harms children and is against God.</description>
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		<title>By: James R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>James R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unfortunately Hedwig, the statistics don&#039;t support you on your theory.  

The view that homosexuality is not a mental illness but is a healthy lifestyle is often given as the basis for changing the traditional Christian stance on homosexuality. But does science really show that homosexuality is healthy? This article will consider the findings of science.

There is no absolute standard for judging what is normal or abnormal. But there are some common empirical criteria that are commonly used to decide whether a behaviour is healthy:

    * Emotional health
    * Psychological health
    * Physical health

 

&lt;strong&gt;Emotional Health&lt;/strong&gt;

A major study by Bell and Weinberg revealed that 78% of male homo- sexual &quot;affairs&quot; (relationships entered into with an intent of commitment) lasted less than three years. Only 12% lasted five years or longer. Study by Alan P. Bell and Martin S. Weinberg, “Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women”, (New York, Simon and Shuster, 1978) p.314

Certainly, this shows a pattern of broken relationships that must be painful for many.

73% of the psychiatrists in the American Psychiatric Association who responded to a survey by Harold I. Lief said that they thought that homosexual men are less happy than others. 70% percent said they believed that the homosexuals&#039; problems were due more to personal conflicts than to social stigmatization. Study by Harold I. Lief, Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality 2 (1977), pp.110- 111 (Cited in Growing Up Straight by George A. Reker).

David McWhirter and Andrew Mattison conducted a non-random study of 156 stable committed male homosexual couples. They found that none of the over 100 couple that had been together for more than 5 years had been sexually monogamous or exclusive. The authors, themselves a gay couple, argued that for male couples, sexual monogamy is a passing stage of homophobia and that many homosexuals separate emotional fidelity and sexual exclusivity. What matters for male couples is emotional not physical faithfulness.D McWhirter and A Mattison, “The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop”, (Englewood Cliffs, Prentice-Hall).

Many studies have shown that children of homosexual households are 2 to 4 times as likely to become homosexual themselves as compared to the general population. Timothy J. Daily, “Family Research Council: Insight: Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk”. See www.frc.org/get/is01j3.cfm.

 

&lt;strong&gt;Psychological Health&lt;/strong&gt;

In a national health care survey 75% of the nearly 2000 lesbian respondents reported they had pursued psychological counselling of some kind, many for treatment of long-term depression or sadness. J. Bradford et al., &quot;National Lesbian Health Care Survey: Implications for Mental Health Care,&quot; Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62 (1994): 239, cited in Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality, p. 81.

Homosexual men are 6 times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men. Study by Bell and Weinberg, “Homosexualities…”, Table 21.12

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics. Study by Robert J. Kus, “Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay American Men”, Journal of Homosexuality, Volume 14, No.2 (1987), p.254

Bell and Weinberg reported evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners.Bell and Weinberg p 308

The same study revealed that homosexual men have to a great extent separated sexuality from relationship. The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once. Bell and Weinberg pp.308-309. It should be noted that this survey was drawn from the San Francisco area at the height of the celebration by that gay community of its freedom from the restraints of “puritanical, middle-class values” and before the AIDS epidemic struck.

In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that &quot;the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101–500.&quot; In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than 1000 lifetime sexual partners. Paul Van de Ven et al., &quot;A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men,&quot; Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354.

A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than 100 sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than 1,000 sexual partners. &quot;Sex Survey Results,&quot; Genre (October 1996), quoted in &quot;Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners,&quot; Lambda Report, January 1998, p. 20.

Surely these are indications of either deep dissatisfaction, or else terribly destructive hedonism.

 

&lt;strong&gt;Physical Health&lt;/strong&gt;

90% of lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one of more acts of verbal aggression from their partners during the year prior to the study, and 31% reported experiencing physical abuse (Lettie L. Lockhart et al., &quot;Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships,&quot; Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (1994): 469–492. ) and in another reference we see that “the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population.” Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, &quot;Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications,&quot; Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41–59.

The Medical Institute for Sexual Health further reported: “It should be noted that most studies of family violence do not differentiate between married and unmarried partner status. Studies that do make these distinctions have found that marriage relationships tend to have the least intimate partner violence when compared to cohabiting or dating relationships.” Health Implications Associated With Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999), p. 79.

Lesbians are 3 times more likely to abuse alcohol and to suffer from other compulsive behaviours. Joanne Hall, &quot;Lesbians Recovering from Alcoholic Problems: An Ethnographic Study of Health Care Expectations,&quot; Nursing Research 43 (1994): 238–244

A study of homosexual twins found that they are more likely to have attempted suicide than there heterosexual twin. R. Herrell et al., &quot;A Co-twin Study in Adult Men,&quot; Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 867–874

The life expectancy for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for men in general. Robert S. Hogg et al., &quot;Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men,&quot; International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997): 657.

“A disproportionate percentage — 29 percent — of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent. … Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50.” P. Cameron and K. Cameron, &quot;Homosexual Parents,&quot; Adolescence 31 (1996): 772

 
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Conclusions&lt;/strong&gt;

Scientific studies show there is a correlation between homosexuality and personal distress. There is clear evidence that many live unhealthy lifestyles. But not all homosexuals are distressed. Not all homosexuals experience personal distress nor can it be concluded that such distress is an inevitable part of the homosexual experience even if it is very common. Further there is effort to muddy the waters by hiding this kind of data. The mental health community, rather than reflecting the majority view, seems to have committed itself to revising the predominant public response, to normalizing behaviour that is rejected by the public.

It is comforting to share a common understanding with most of the people in society about what is good and bad behaviour, healthy and unhealthy patterns of living. However, we are heading into a time where more and more people disagree on what is a healthy person. An increasing number of the people and institutions around us have very different understandings about good &amp; bad behaviour and healthy &amp; unhealthy living.

We must also recognize that right and wrong are not always the same as healthy and unhealthy. Psychological abnormality and immorality are two different things although they sometimes overlap. Sometimes they are not related at all. Many conditions that are sins are not pathologies (idolatry, pride, sorcery, lust, fornication). Many conditions that are pathologies are not in themselves sins (anxiety, depression, psychosis).

Christians must recognize that neither society’s consensus or judgement of whether a behaviour is healthy has to match God’s view or the church’s moral judgement. New Testament Christians were clearly out of step with their society&#039;s understanding of what made a good character, a good person and a good life. Morality is not usually decided by democratic vote. By contemporary standards, a life consumed with greed, materialism, sensualism, selfishness, divorce and pride is judged healthy but God evaluates such a life and finds it lacking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unfortunately Hedwig, the statistics don't support you on your theory.  </p>
<p>The view that homosexuality is not a mental illness but is a healthy lifestyle is often given as the basis for changing the traditional Christian stance on homosexuality. But does science really show that homosexuality is healthy? This article will consider the findings of science.</p>
<p>There is no absolute standard for judging what is normal or abnormal. But there are some common empirical criteria that are commonly used to decide whether a behaviour is healthy:</p>
<p>    * Emotional health<br />
    * Psychological health<br />
    * Physical health</p>
<p><strong>Emotional Health</strong></p>
<p>A major study by Bell and Weinberg revealed that 78% of male homo- sexual "affairs" (relationships entered into with an intent of commitment) lasted less than three years. Only 12% lasted five years or longer. Study by Alan P. Bell and Martin S. Weinberg, “Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women”, (New York, Simon and Shuster, 1978) p.314</p>
<p>Certainly, this shows a pattern of broken relationships that must be painful for many.</p>
<p>73% of the psychiatrists in the American Psychiatric Association who responded to a survey by Harold I. Lief said that they thought that homosexual men are less happy than others. 70% percent said they believed that the homosexuals' problems were due more to personal conflicts than to social stigmatization. Study by Harold I. Lief, Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality 2 (1977), pp.110- 111 (Cited in Growing Up Straight by George A. Reker).</p>
<p>David McWhirter and Andrew Mattison conducted a non-random study of 156 stable committed male homosexual couples. They found that none of the over 100 couple that had been together for more than 5 years had been sexually monogamous or exclusive. The authors, themselves a gay couple, argued that for male couples, sexual monogamy is a passing stage of homophobia and that many homosexuals separate emotional fidelity and sexual exclusivity. What matters for male couples is emotional not physical faithfulness.D McWhirter and A Mattison, “The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop”, (Englewood Cliffs, Prentice-Hall).</p>
<p>Many studies have shown that children of homosexual households are 2 to 4 times as likely to become homosexual themselves as compared to the general population. Timothy J. Daily, “Family Research Council: Insight: Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk”. See <a href="http://www.frc.org/get/is01j3.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.frc.org/get/is01j3.cfm</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Psychological Health</strong></p>
<p>In a national health care survey 75% of the nearly 2000 lesbian respondents reported they had pursued psychological counselling of some kind, many for treatment of long-term depression or sadness. J. Bradford et al., "National Lesbian Health Care Survey: Implications for Mental Health Care," Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62 (1994): 239, cited in Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality, p. 81.</p>
<p>Homosexual men are 6 times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men. Study by Bell and Weinberg, “Homosexualities…”, Table 21.12</p>
<p>Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics. Study by Robert J. Kus, “Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay American Men”, Journal of Homosexuality, Volume 14, No.2 (1987), p.254</p>
<p>Bell and Weinberg reported evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners.Bell and Weinberg p 308</p>
<p>The same study revealed that homosexual men have to a great extent separated sexuality from relationship. The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once. Bell and Weinberg pp.308-309. It should be noted that this survey was drawn from the San Francisco area at the height of the celebration by that gay community of its freedom from the restraints of “puritanical, middle-class values” and before the AIDS epidemic struck.</p>
<p>In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that "the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101–500." In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than 1000 lifetime sexual partners. Paul Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354.</p>
<p>A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than 100 sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than 1,000 sexual partners. "Sex Survey Results," Genre (October 1996), quoted in "Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners," Lambda Report, January 1998, p. 20.</p>
<p>Surely these are indications of either deep dissatisfaction, or else terribly destructive hedonism.</p>
<p><strong>Physical Health</strong></p>
<p>90% of lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one of more acts of verbal aggression from their partners during the year prior to the study, and 31% reported experiencing physical abuse (Lettie L. Lockhart et al., "Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (1994): 469–492. ) and in another reference we see that “the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population.” Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41–59.</p>
<p>The Medical Institute for Sexual Health further reported: “It should be noted that most studies of family violence do not differentiate between married and unmarried partner status. Studies that do make these distinctions have found that marriage relationships tend to have the least intimate partner violence when compared to cohabiting or dating relationships.” Health Implications Associated With Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999), p. 79.</p>
<p>Lesbians are 3 times more likely to abuse alcohol and to suffer from other compulsive behaviours. Joanne Hall, "Lesbians Recovering from Alcoholic Problems: An Ethnographic Study of Health Care Expectations," Nursing Research 43 (1994): 238–244</p>
<p>A study of homosexual twins found that they are more likely to have attempted suicide than there heterosexual twin. R. Herrell et al., "A Co-twin Study in Adult Men," Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 867–874</p>
<p>The life expectancy for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for men in general. Robert S. Hogg et al., "Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997): 657.</p>
<p>“A disproportionate percentage — 29 percent — of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent. … Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50.” P. Cameron and K. Cameron, "Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 772</p>
<p><strong><br />
Conclusions</strong></p>
<p>Scientific studies show there is a correlation between homosexuality and personal distress. There is clear evidence that many live unhealthy lifestyles. But not all homosexuals are distressed. Not all homosexuals experience personal distress nor can it be concluded that such distress is an inevitable part of the homosexual experience even if it is very common. Further there is effort to muddy the waters by hiding this kind of data. The mental health community, rather than reflecting the majority view, seems to have committed itself to revising the predominant public response, to normalizing behaviour that is rejected by the public.</p>
<p>It is comforting to share a common understanding with most of the people in society about what is good and bad behaviour, healthy and unhealthy patterns of living. However, we are heading into a time where more and more people disagree on what is a healthy person. An increasing number of the people and institutions around us have very different understandings about good &#038; bad behaviour and healthy &#038; unhealthy living.</p>
<p>We must also recognize that right and wrong are not always the same as healthy and unhealthy. Psychological abnormality and immorality are two different things although they sometimes overlap. Sometimes they are not related at all. Many conditions that are sins are not pathologies (idolatry, pride, sorcery, lust, fornication). Many conditions that are pathologies are not in themselves sins (anxiety, depression, psychosis).</p>
<p>Christians must recognize that neither society’s consensus or judgement of whether a behaviour is healthy has to match God’s view or the church’s moral judgement. New Testament Christians were clearly out of step with their society's understanding of what made a good character, a good person and a good life. Morality is not usually decided by democratic vote. By contemporary standards, a life consumed with greed, materialism, sensualism, selfishness, divorce and pride is judged healthy but God evaluates such a life and finds it lacking.</p>
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		<title>By: L. Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill is it always your tactic to personally denigrate the people you disagree with?</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God is watching.  He is watching what NOM and it&#039;s people are doing to HIS Gay &amp; Lesbian creations.

So are your children.  They are watching you.  And learning your bigotry.

How proud you all must be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God is watching.  He is watching what NOM and it's people are doing to HIS Gay &amp; Lesbian creations.</p>
<p>So are your children.  They are watching you.  And learning your bigotry.</p>
<p>How proud you all must be.</p>
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		<title>By: Hedwig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hedwig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate - let me see if I understand you correctly.  My 29-year relationship with a same sex partner, our daughter and her husband and four children should not be?  When you say, &quot;deal with their homosexual problem&quot; you should really state what you mean.  Eradicate them (kill them) or make them lie and hide in submission about their true selves?   Just as an FYI, we are not addicted, depressed, lonely or a threat to society.  I pay my taxes that you probably benefit from because you are married.  And really Kate, you actually believe there is a gay and lesbian sex-recruiting center in the schools?  Its time to have an open dialogue with someone other than your peer group on the topic.  Learn lady, learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate - let me see if I understand you correctly.  My 29-year relationship with a same sex partner, our daughter and her husband and four children should not be?  When you say, "deal with their homosexual problem" you should really state what you mean.  Eradicate them (kill them) or make them lie and hide in submission about their true selves?   Just as an FYI, we are not addicted, depressed, lonely or a threat to society.  I pay my taxes that you probably benefit from because you are married.  And really Kate, you actually believe there is a gay and lesbian sex-recruiting center in the schools?  Its time to have an open dialogue with someone other than your peer group on the topic.  Learn lady, learn.</p>
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		<title>By: All American</title>
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		<dc:creator>All American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bible says it best in:

LEVITICUS 18:22</description>
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		<title>By: Chairm</title>
		<link>http://nomblog.com/156/comment-page-1/#comment-5622</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross said:

&quot;A church or pastor is not forced to perform a marriage they do not want to perform.&quot;

Strawman.

Ross said: &quot;Please research before you speak.&quot;

You misrepresented the actual disagreement. But at least your research is impeccable, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross said:</p>
<p>"A church or pastor is not forced to perform a marriage they do not want to perform."</p>
<p>Strawman.</p>
<p>Ross said: "Please research before you speak."</p>
<p>You misrepresented the actual disagreement. But at least your research is impeccable, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redmond, I like your take on this-

&#039;If there are those who have homosexual leanings who choose to work on their underlying issues, let them. More power to them.

Homosexuality is not cut and dried. People’s understanding of sexual orientation is only beginning to be understood. Some people believe that it is a fluid thing, something that can change with time or experience.

Certainly no one is locked into the lifestyle simply because they experience attractions.&#039;

The last sentence is reassuring to the many people who really want out of the lifestyle but feel trapped by the &#039;its who you are&#039; thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redmond, I like your take on this-</p>
<p>'If there are those who have homosexual leanings who choose to work on their underlying issues, let them. More power to them.</p>
<p>Homosexuality is not cut and dried. People’s understanding of sexual orientation is only beginning to be understood. Some people believe that it is a fluid thing, something that can change with time or experience.</p>
<p>Certainly no one is locked into the lifestyle simply because they experience attractions.'</p>
<p>The last sentence is reassuring to the many people who really want out of the lifestyle but feel trapped by the 'its who you are' thinking.</p>
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