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Gay Voices Against Gay Marriage: Xavier Bongibault

As we've written about before, there is a rising chorus of gay voices in France who are expressing opposition to President Hollande's proposal to legalize gay marriage.

Here is a third voice -- Xavier Bongibault.

As before, we offer an approximate English translation below, provided by one of our supporters:

Xavier Bongibault , I'm 21 years old, I'm a homosexual and a business manager.

Do all homosexuals think the same way?
People tell us that all homosexuals are for this proposed law, but that's an absolute lie! The majority of Homosexuals could care less about it and have the right like everybody else to have common sense

Most homosexuals make fun of this proposed law, because they had a mom and dad like everyone else. They want it to be that way for all kids.

The reasons for your opposition?
I think first and foremost we need to protect the child. In France, marriage and child-rearing are extremely tied together. To oppose this marriage [for all] is equivalent to opposing a drastic change in the nature of child-rearing. I'm involved for the protection of the child.

The other claims?
This proposed law is tied to the proposal to legalize gay adoption. But not so fast; it's necessary to take a closer look.  We have to keep in mind procreation that's medically assisted as we go into the debate among leadership in January. If we begin with the opening idea that "equality" is sacrosanct, consider this: If two women can have a child, thanks to science, then in the name of equality men must have this too, which brings us to gestation in someone else's womb. So it falls upon the minister for the rights of woman to step in and prohibit prostitution. It's scandalous that a woman would rent out her vagina, so how do we encourage women to rent out their uterus? It strains belief, it doesn't sit well in my head.

Marriage for all?
In no way is marriage an institution for love. If it were only love, then based on what do we refuse to recognize the marriage of three people deeply in love with each other? What about a father who loves his daughter? One allows that to suppress equality in the meaning of family, or in the meaning of a couple. So when one suppresses all the genetics of the child, one is then willing to destroy the familial circle, and therefore, to destroy the first venue for the socialization and social cohesion of the child.

French Muslims Join Opposition to SSM

Reuters:

French Muslims have begun joining a mostly Catholic-led movement against same-sex marriage, widening opposition to the reform that the Socialist-led government is set to write into the law by June.

Fifty Muslim activists issued an open letter on Monday urging fellow Muslims to join a major Paris protest against the law on Sunday. That followed a similar appeal last Saturday by the influential Union of French Islamic Organisations (UOIF).

Leaders of almost all main faiths in France have spoken out against the law, but not called on their followers to march in Sunday's demonstration to avoid giving the opposition campaign an overly religious tone.

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We will protest on January 13 by joining a pluralist campaign to preserve the traditional framework of marriage," the Muslim activists' letter said. "We invite all French Muslims to turn out in large numbers."

The UOIF statement also urged Muslims to join the "March for All", the Paris protest against the reform the government has dubbed "Marriage for All".

"This bill, if it passes, will disrupt family and social structures and civil law dangerously and irreparably," it said.

The Muslim activist letter was signed by intellectuals, business leaders and leaders of several grassroots Muslim groups.

ACTION NEEDED: Tell Legislators to Give People Vote on Indiana Marriage Amendment

National Organization for Marriage

Dear Marriage Supporter,

Your legislators need to hear from you today in support of the Indiana Marriage Amendment.

Click here to take action now.

The amendment was passed by the legislature in 2011, and needs just one more legislative approval before going to voters in 2014.

But gay marriage activists and their allies in the media are playing up opposition to the amendment — trying to persuade House and Senate leadership to postpone a vote on the measure. Most recently, a group of liberal clergy — representing groups such as the United Church of Christ, LifeJourney Church (a Metropolitan Community Church whose website indicates it was founded by "18 devout gay Christians"), and The Church Within, among others — gained airtime with a public letter urging the legislature to reject the marriage amendment.

With substantial Republican majorities in both houses, the amendment stands a good chance of passage if brought to a vote, but recent reports indicate that Senate President Pro Tem David Long (R-Fort Wayne) is hedging on whether he will allow the amendment to be voted on in the Senate.

I need you to do two things right now:

  1. Click here to send an email to your state legislators urging them to support the Indiana Marriage Amendment. A copy of your letter will also be sent to Senate President David Long and House Speaker Brian Bosma.

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"State GOP Chairman Brady Faces Growing Calls For His Resignation"

WBEZ:

The head of Illinois’ beleaguered Republican Party is staring down a revolt from some state party bosses after he bucked the official GOP line last week and urged state lawmakers to approve same-sex marriage.

State GOP Chairman Pat Brady faces growing calls for his resignation, at a time when some Illinois Republicans are rethinking the party’s image and stance on social issues, following a dismal showing in November’s elections.

Conservative groups and activists pounced on Brady shortly after he released a statement last week offering his “full support” of a bill before the General Assembly that would legalize same-sex marriage.

But now the public demands for his ouster are coming from party leaders themselves.

“Pat Brady is a total disgrace,” said Bobbie Peterson, a Republican state central committeewoman from Beecher, Ill.

“He’s a pretty face for TV. He can speak well. Period,” Peterson said. “But what’s coming out of his mouth is not what the Illinois Republican party is about.”

It’s unclear whether the party bosses opposing Brady have enough votes to oust him. But even those who stop short of asking for his resignation plan to take him to the woodshed for neglecting to notify party bosses before he publicly contradicted the party’s platform plank on gay marriage.

“I was shocked,” said State Sen. Jim Oberweis, a committeeman from west suburban Sugar Grove who has asked Brady to resign.“Very surprised. Did not expect that and didn’t know why he would have done that.”

... “I can only express my disappointment in the way this has come about and the manner in which the Republican platform of Illinois has been completely disregarded,” said committeeman Gene Dawson, from northwest suburban Barrington, as he read from the resignation request he emailed to Brady.

In Illinois, a party chairman can be fired with a three-fifths majority of the weighted vote from state party committeemen. Each vote is weighted differently, based on how many people cast ballots in a committeeman's congressional district in last spring’s primary. Four committeemen told WBEZ they asked Brady to resign, representing nearly half of the votes needed to boot him out. (Four others stopped short of calling for a resignation, while the remaining ten either declined to comment or didn’t respond to interview requests.)

... “His role as chairman should be to concentrate on uniting the party, and not dividing the party,” Syverson said, though he doesn't go so far as to ask Brady to step down.

Please join those who have already taken action calling for Brady to resign or to be dismissed for his betrayal of marriage!

Politico: NOM Plans to Step Up Pro-Marriage Federal Lobbying in 2013

Politico reports on NOM's plans to expand our pro-marriage advocacy on The Hill this coming year:

"...To challenge advocates of same-sex marriage, members of the National Organization for Marriage, which spent $60,000 on lobbying the federal government through September, will walk the halls of Capitol Hill day in and day out, said Brian Brown, president of the group.

“The fact that they are claiming victory because they won in four deep-blue states is absurd,” Brown said. “Congress is not going to repeal DOMA. That’s just not going to happen. You can say all you want that the nation is at a turning point, but that’s just an exercise in myth-making.”

Gay Voices Against Gay Marriage: Jean Pier

As we've written about before, there is a growing chorus of gay people in France who oppose President Hollande's proposal to legalize gay marriage.

Here is a second voice -- Jean Pier -- explaining his views (we also offer an approximate English translation by a French-speaking supporter):

I am Jean-Pier and I'm forty-nine years old.

I am a documentary author for TV and I'm homosexual.

What is your opinion of the proposed law?

The law they're proposing, this marriage for all; I have to take pause. I have to wonder, "who's this law for?" I say to myself, "is it made for homosexuals?" I live in Provence and I work in Paris. I know very few homosexuals who wish to marry beyond the PACS (civil unions) they already have. In fact the number of people in PACS unions in France, couples of the same sex, is minimal. Therefore who's this law for? If it's for the 5,000 people who live in the district of Le Marrais, then it's just a militant act. But behind it all, it must be a question of the child.

Freedom, equality for all?

Me, I'm not part of any political party or any association. For me, the question behind this, the fundamental issue, is the child. Among the responses I've heard, I've had this business of freedom and equality. Then I pose this question: What of the freedom and equality of the child? The child won't have its equality vis-a-vis its friends in school. Its peers may have divorced and blended families, but they have, at least, a father and mother.

What about adopting?

Twenty five years ago -- remember, I'm 49 -- I truly wondered about having a child. Like everyone else, I wanted to have a child; it was a question of transmitting my heritage. But then I realized very quickly that if I were going to have a child that way, it would be for the wrong reasons.

What alternatives?

The desire for a child, for me, is fulfilled. I am a writer and creator. I create stories for children. That's a way to address children and respect them. That's an act of love for them.

Final thoughts?

Finally, when I look at this proposed law, I conclude that it's a law for gays, but not for homosexuals. I do not want to support it.

Update: Pastor Backs Out of Obama Inauguration Over Previous "Antigay" Comments

An update on the story we just reported:

Rev.  Louie Giglio, who had been announced as the pastor to give the invocation at the presidential inauguration, has now pulled himself out of the ceremony, after criticism of his previous anti-gay comments and actions, sources confirmed to ABC News.

Giglio, who is now Pastor at Passion City Church in Georgia and his role at Obama’s second inauguration was first announced Tuesday. But the liberal website Thinkprogress reported Wednesday on video of Giglioi  delivering a sermon in the mid-1990s in which he said homosexuality is a sin and advocated gay “recovery.” (ABCNews The Note)

NOM's Peters Tells AP: National Cathedral News Offers a Wake Up to America About Our Future

NOM's Communications Director Thomas Peters gave this comment to the Associated Press about the news that the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. will offer ceremonies to same-sex partners:

"...The conservative National Organization for Marriage, which opposes same-sex marriage, said the cathedral's change was "disappointing but not surprising," given the direction of the Episcopal Church.

"The message here is that conservative Episcopalians are being pushed out," said spokesman Thomas Peters.

In light of the cathedral's national prominence, Peters called the marriage announcement "an opportunity for people to wake up to what's happening."

"It reminds us that marriage is really an all or nothing deal," he said. "Does America want to retain its marriage tradition or fundamentally give it up?" (AP)

Pastor Chosen for Obama Inaugural Being Criticized as "Antigay"

New York Times:

The pastor whom President Obama has chosen to deliver the benediction at his inauguration this month delivered a sermon in the 1990s in which he called on fellow Christians to fight the “aggressive agenda” of the gay rights movement and advocated “the healing power of Jesus” as “the only way out of a homosexual lifestyle.”

... In it, Mr. Giglio cites Scripture in saying that homosexuality “is sin in the eyes of God, and it is sin in the word of God.” He warned against gay rights. “That movement is not a benevolent movement,” he said. “It is a movement to seize by any means necessary the feeling and the mood of the day, to the point where the homosexual lifestyle becomes accepted as a norm in our society.”

Inaugural officials did not respond to a request for comment, and a spokeswoman for Mr. Giglio was not available.

... The controversy over Mr. Giglio carries echoes of the 2009 inaugural, when Mr. Obama offended many gay people by selecting the Rev. Rick Warren, author of “A Purpose Driven Life” and an opponent of same-sex marriage, to deliver the invocation. Gay rights advocates have not forgotten.

Gay Voices Against Gay Marriage: Phillippe Arino

There is a growing chorus of gay people in France who oppose President Hollande's proposal to legalize gay marriage.

Here is one voice -- Phillipe Arino -- explaining his views (we also offer an approximate English translation below by one of our generous French-speaking supporters):

I am Philippe Ariño, 32 years old, essayist about homosexuality and Spanish teacher.

Your thoughts on "marriage" for all?
I oppose this proposed law. I believe it's homophobic. First off, I think society is giving this to homosexuals for the sake of society itself, but it's without meaning.

Even worse, another reason that I think this is homophobic is this: This law encourages homosexual couples to think they can copy and fit in the way heterosexual couples do. It makes them think they have to follow the example of man, woman, and child, without respecting sexual difference. It denies respect to homosexual couples in reality, with regards to their specificity and who they really are. Gay couples do not exist so that they can be procreative; one doesn't recognize that (if one turns these into marriages). Even if you present this to gay couples like it's a gift, it's still denying who they really are.

But then, what about equality of rights?
It's not a question of equality. Equality isn't inherently positive. There are bad/wrong equalities. We call that conformism, uniformity. A lack of recognition to the realities of people. The gay activists who treat equality as sacred do not differentiate between equal rights and the equality of identity. Equality of the law, and equality of self-respect or dignity.

Adoption?
In my view, all kids need more than just two parents who love each other. They need two biological parents -- mother and father -- who love each other. Nobody is speaking about that condition for the development of the child. It would be a condition where desire and nature are conjoined. Let's say a child knows of its biological parents but knows that its parents do not really love one another. That's a trauma that it will carry like a burden, all its life. When people talk about gay adoptive parents, they talk a great deal about the feeling of the parents toward the child, but they don't speak about the difference of sex which is "crowned" with love. That's central, that will be with one for all one's life. One must know that one had more than just a biological origin -- also, that one came from true desire. And one must know that the two are linked.

Biggest French March in Support of Marriage to Take Place This Sunday!

The largest pro-marriage demonstration to date in France is schedule to take place this Sunday!

Here's a rough English translation of one of the rally posters (below):

"THE RALLY FOR ALL -"All born from one man and one woman - Call to all citizens and elected official against the project of law "Marriage and adoption for all [same-sex couples]" - Daddy and Mommy, there is nothing better for a child"

This is an interactive map for people coming by buses, trains or who are flying (in case you have friends and relatives in France or nearby who wish to attend).

Here is an article in a magazine called The Christian Family promoting the rally translated into English by Google.

Here is a link for buying items promoting the campaign. Products were sold out when we last checked the link!

Meanwhile, a French version of the "Marriage = Biology, Not Bigotry" video has been viewed over 70,000 times and has 2-1 Likes over Dislikes.

These are all encouraging signs of a strong, diverse and grassroots pro-marriage movement in France!

George Weigel on Marriage, Equality and Discrimination

Public intellectual George Weigel welcomes the marriage debate which will be enhanced by the Supreme Court's choice to take up the Prop 8 and DOMA cases.

In his new article on the subject, he explains why arguments for equality and against discrimination don't apply to same-sex partners:

"...For almost two centuries, equality before the law had been denied to Americans of African descent; that blatant injustice was challenged by a movement of moral persuasion and legal maneuver; the movement was ultimately vindicated by a change of hearts, minds, and statutes. If then, on matters of race, why not now, on the question of who can marry? That’s the argument; it has considerable emotive power. 

But it’s wrong.

In their recent book, What Is Marriage? Man and Woman: A Defense (Encounter Books), three Catholic thinkers with Princeton connections—Robert P. George (who holds Woodrow Wilson’s old chair at that eminent university) and two of his former students, Sherif Girgis and Ryan Anderson—argue persuasively, and on grounds of reason, that America can’t arrive at a serious answer to this question—Should government redefine marriage to include same-sex partnerships?—by appealing to equality.

Why not? Because every marriage policy in every polity known to history draws boundaries, excluding some types of relationships from marriage. Parents can’t marry their children. Brothers and sisters can’t marry. People beneath a certain age can’t marry. People who are already married can’t marry.

In other words, governments, whether autocratic, aristocratic, monarchical, or democratic, have always “discriminated”—i.e., made distinctions—in their marriage laws. And in that sense, there is no “equality” issue in marriage law similar to the equality that racial minorities rightly sought, and won, in the civil rights movement."

Tell the Illinois GOP: Drop Chairman Brady for His Betrayal of Marriage!

National Organization for Marriage

Dear Marriage Supporter,

Pat Brady, Chairman of the Illinois Republican Party, recently betrayed conservative voters and Republicans by publically advocating for the passage of same-sex marriage legislation in Illinois.

Brady, in remarks to the press, claimed that same-sex marriage was "a key Republican value" — despite the strong pro-marriage wording of the most recent Republican National Committee Platform and the fact that every major GOP candidate for president this past political cycle was in favor of protecting marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

Should someone so opposed to "key Republican values" be representing his party in a state so frequently targeted by liberals who want to redefine marriage, including President Obama himself? Don't we want someone leading the GOP in Illinois who will advocate for the conservative and commonsense principles and values that unite us?

Kelly Hayes, a Republican committee member in Illinois, put it best when she voiced her dismay at Brady's advocacy for same-sex marriage:

I am particularly provoked that our party chairman would take time on the first business day of our New Year NOT to make calls on behalf of pension reform and spending cuts, NOT to make calls on behalf of our besieged 2nd Amendment, NOT to make calls on behalf of anything in the 2012 Illinois Republican Platform at all. Instead, he calls Republican legislators to ask them to redefine marriage, a traitorous assault on one of our party platform's most important social tenets as well as current Illinois and federal law.

Pat Brady needs to step down now. Sadly, he has embarrassed himself and the Illinois Republican Party.

It truly is "a traitorous assault!"

Brady has betrayed us, betrayed his party, misrepresented "key Republican values," and insulted conservative voters in Illinois and across America who deserve leaders who refuse to sell out on such a fundamental and crucial issue like the defense of marriage, children and family.

The future of marriage in Illinois demands that Brady be replaced immediately with a brave pro-marriage individual who will fight back against the out-of-state liberal activists now attempting to impose gay marriage on the Land of Lincoln without the will or consent of the we the people.

Tell the Illinois GOP today that Pat Brady must go, and that it is time for the party to reinforce real "key Republican values" — marriage and family, the well-being of children, the rule of law, and the rights of voters like you and me.

We already know the consequences of same-sex marriage becoming law in Illinois will be disastrous. We saw last year, when civil unions were passed in Illinois, that it immediately impacted religious liberties, despite the promises of the bill's sponsors that it would do no such thing.

In fact, within months of civil unions being passed, Lutheran and Catholic adoption and foster care agencies in Illinois were forced to shut! And we know that same-sex marriage poses even more risks to people of faith than the damage civil unions have already caused.

Let us ensure the same thing does not happen again (or worse!), and make sure that we have strong pro-marriage leaders in Illinois speaking up for the rights of voters, for the good of children, the protection of our families and for the values we all hold dear.

Take action right away!

Vogt: We Need More Good Arguments for Marriage

Brandon Vogt, author of the recent "10 Best Arguments for SSM -- And Why They're Still Flawed", shares one of his experiences as a recent public defender of marriage:

When I logged into Facebook, I expected a few new comments. But I was surprised when the little red icon showed several on a recent picture I had uploaded. As I read through them, one stopped me cold: “This is the portrait of a hateful America.”

I scrolled back up to the original picture just to make sure I hadn’t missed anything. There weren’t any inadvertent swastikas or vicious scowls. In fact it was just as I remembered it: my wife, our three young children and I eating at Chick-fil-A. We all had beaming smiles, platefuls of chicken and pools of dipping sauce. It epitomized joy, family and fun. So how could this innocent picture represent a hateful America?

Then it hit me. We had snapped the picture on Aug. 1, 2012. About a month earlier, Dan Cathy, president of Chick-fil-A, was asked whether his company supported traditional marriage.

... Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee proposed a Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day on the first day of August. We decided to join in, thus the picture, thus the comment.

... many well-intentioned people who reject same-sex marriage cannot articulate good reasons why. They often respond to same-sex marriage advocates by saying, “It’s simply against God’s plan” or “the Church rejects it.” These arguments, although true and substantial, strike non-religious people as irrelevant.

More than ever Catholics need simple, rational, non-religious reasons to reinforce their arguments against same-sex marriage.

To help, this week’s In Focus (Pages 9-12) is dedicated to these reasons. (OSV)

Washington's National Cathedral to Host Ceremonies for Same-Sex Partners

Another consequence of redefining marriage:

"...In light of the legality of same-sex marriage in the District of Columbia and now Maryland, the Rt. Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde, the Episcopal bishop of Washington, decided in December to allow an expansion of the Christian marriage sacrament. The diocese covers the district and four counties in Maryland. The change is allowed under a "local option" granted by the church's General Convention, church leaders said. Each priest in the diocese can then decide whether to perform same-sex unions.

...The House of Bishops voted last year 111-41 to authorize a provisional rite for same-sex unions. Some congregations have left the church over its inclusion of gays and lesbians over the years." (AP)

Examples like this remind us that when you redefine "civil" marriage you create the new possibility of same-sex ceremonies in churches. Gay marriage advocates love to artificially split these two recognitions of marriage when they think it suits their purposes but the categories always re-collapse as soon as a liberal church like this one decides it wants to conduct ceremonies with same-sex partners.

The simplest way to prevent same-sex ceremonies in churches is to fight for the recognition of marriage in civil law.

Many conservative Episcopalians have already left this denomination for other Christian churches that have retained their marriage tradition -- Episcopalian attendance is down 16% in the last decade alone. Mainline protestant denominations, including Methodists, Presbyterians and the worldwide Anglican communion have retained their marriage tradition, especially because the areas where Anglicanism are growing fastest in Africa and Asia, the congregations are strongly pro-marriage.

Some may see this as the Episcopalian church attempting to become even more progressive, but religion analysts such as Rob Kerby, the Senior Editor at Belief.net have asked if moves like this might signal the near collapse and "meltdown of liberal Christianity".